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 Oggetto del messaggio: Re: BAARIA in September
MessaggioInviato: sab dic 05, 2009 3:44 pm 
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Dear Keky,
finally back home after 4 flights in two days...better to stay on the land...Well, no problem to answer you.
The film should be broadcasted on 27 January 2010, the day of The Memory, and immediatly after, the CD should be available. But we never can be sure of what RAI announces. It's not the first time that RAI changes idea. It often happens that RAITRADE prepares the issuing of a CD for a date: the issuing of the CD should always follow, within few days, the film broadcasting. This is the rule.
But then RAI postpones, for commercial reasons, the film broadcasting ( for example it's important that in the same evening at the same hour on the three MEDIASET channels there is nothing interesting to see ) while the CDs are already stored since some weeks: so RAITRADE, not to lose money, is compelled to issue the cd before the film. This is what happened one month ago with the TV film PINOCCHIO: in this case also the DVD has been available before the film. Ridiculous.
But the most important thing is that this time, differently from the past, all the most significant tracks are included in the CD...but I don't trust in it.
Who makes the selection of the tracks? Nobody knows it.
The list of the tracks omitted in the CDs IL CUORE NEL POZZO, PERLASCA, BARTALI L'INTRAMONTABILE, LA PROVINCIALE, L'ULTIMO DEI CORLEONESI and even the recent PANE E LIBERTA' ( all films directed by Negrin and all CDs by RAITRADE ), CEFALONIA also if not by Negrin, is very long. Surely I'm forgetting some titles... The heaviest lacks are for PERLASCA and L'ULTIMO DEI CORLEONESI.
This of the lacking material, recorded, but not issued, is a very interesting and wide subject. But you didn't ask me about this...
When it will be the moment, I'll keep you informed on ANNA FRANK's post section about the CD.
Regards, ATK


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 Oggetto del messaggio: Re: BAARIA in September
MessaggioInviato: dom dic 06, 2009 9:56 am 
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Iscritto il: gio apr 30, 2009 10:24 am
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Dear Altnikol

Thanks for the answer! I'm looking forward to the CD!
As for the missing tracks: I usually don't know the films for which these scores are written for so basically I can't recognize if an important track or two is missing or not. From the films you mentioned in your post I have only seen Cefalonia and Perlasca. But I only saw them once and bought the CDsd much later so I can't remember what's missing. So my point is: in my case some missing tracks is not a big problem as long as we have enough music on the CD and if that music is good.


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 Oggetto del messaggio: Re: BAARIA in September
MessaggioInviato: lun dic 07, 2009 7:07 pm 
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Iscritto il: dom nov 02, 2008 1:12 pm
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Hi all - my request was for more music from Baaria - i will probably have to wait for the DVD release being in the UK - but on the music side I understood there has been more music recorded than issued on the CD - it is a great score. If Ennio can give us more like this it will be a crown for his long and amazing career.


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 Oggetto del messaggio: Re: BAARIA in September
MessaggioInviato: mer dic 09, 2009 3:58 pm 
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Iscritto il: ven ott 31, 2008 7:31 pm
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Hello Altnikol and the others,
Yes, it is predictable that the Maestro will have rarely new films and CDs in the future… It appears to be logical, seeing the age and maybe his willing to have few assignments per year. We could understand this if he reduces to almost nothing the concerts…
Nevertheless I believe that he will never stop, and he will go on to compose concert "absolute") music. For instance, I very eagerly wait for the cantata "Vuoto d'anima piena", a work which seems to contain strong, dense, demanding but also enjoyable, moving music !

Returning to Baaria, I didn't tell that it was bad or repetitive music, at the contrary I was a little surprised in a good sense to hear good and catching pieces. I used the expression "no new music" just to underline that we are dealing withan usual style, well-known colors, and it is not automatically a bad thing… and it is not exactly true because the Ciaramolla have and gives a new sound, a new style, never heard before.
For me, novelty doesn't mean extreme sound or research, difficult and dissonant music : it evokes firstly some ways, some colors never or rarely featured in his music, like in Richard III, Mission to Mars, La leggenda del pianista sull'oceano, and even Aïda degli arberi or Vatel for instance.

Yes, after several listenings many tracks are noticeable and capture the mind. Firstly the "Sinfonia…", the first track (so of course the end titles) appears to me to be original in mixing several styles, several ways, several orchestral or instruments' colors, several climax ! I never heard like this the Ciaramolla' sound : a true discovering. I am joyful to hear each time the nervous strings (staccatti ?) emerging over the theme, unfortunately too short, I am full of serene emotion while then the strings and orchestra go on with a theme of other colors. It could have finished here, at the end of the treble strings fading out, I finishes always at this time.
I find the fanfare (Baaria 2) and the "typically Sicilian" or Italian tracks (Oltre, Primo e dopo) very well done and less heavy, less grotesque than in Malèna for instance. Here there is some seriousness and dignity in them, and some Rota flavour in Prima e dopo). Their slow tempi and their orchestrations give a funebre rendition suiting to black clothes of Sicily, I think this without having watched the movie.

And at last to not to be long, I specially moreover enjoyed 3 tracks :
- Racconto di una vita : yes, a simple trackin the vein of many he composed but so catching, no choice, no possible escape !
- La visita : maybe more powerful and surely shorter than Ribellione on the same strong theme, with another theme just after.
- A passegio nel corso : I admire here the evolution of rhythm, the track little by little becomes different and dancing.

So, if we will not have new CDs in the future, we could maybe expect, after the film' success, after a DVD issue, a second CD of Baaria ?...


For the RAI TV movies music and CDs, I of course agree with you. But after having watched "Pane e libertà", I noticed few inedited music (around 5 mn listenable in the movie), idem for "Gino Bartali", which contains although more inedited music, but not easily heard unfortunately. Maybe you have more informations.

Friendly,
Patrick


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 Oggetto del messaggio: Re: BAARIA in September
MessaggioInviato: mer dic 09, 2009 5:38 pm 
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Iscritto il: sab dic 13, 2008 4:22 pm
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Dear Patrick...interesting remarks are yours.
A second CD of BAARIA? In 3 or 4 years......
I'll try to re-explain what I mean for "tracks omitted".

We must distinguish among some tracks recorded in the studio, used in the film, but omitted in the CD ( CASE N. 1 ) and some tracks recorded in the studio, but omitted both in the film and in the CD ( CASE n. 2 ).
When I speak about all Negrin's films Cds - for example IL CUORE NEL POZZO or BARTALI or PERLASCA - I mean that not all tracks recorded in the studio appear in the film and consequently in the CD ( THIS IS THE CASE n. 2 ).
BAARIA: more tracks than those put on the CD have been recorded, but we don't find them either in the film or in the CD ( CASE n. 2 )
So we can better speak of "missing music" rather than "omitted music".
L'ULTIMO DEI CORLEONESI: in this case some tracks recorded in the studio appear in the film, but not in the CD ( CASE n. 1 )

I hope to have been clear.
From this point of view, there are several hundred tracks ( CASE n. 2 ) that nobody will ever have the opportunity to listen except someone particularly "lucky man"...

Besides the two mentioned above, there is also a third case.
Music written, but never recorded and obviously never utilized in a film and more and more obviously never appeared on a CD ( CASE n. 3 ).
I am speaking about some tons of paper written, but "sleeping" somewhere...

ANNA FRANK. Several tracks ( most of them very beautiful ) recorded. But, how many of them, also if in the film, will be in the CD? ( CASE n. 1 )
Or how many of them will not appear both in the film and in the CD? ( CASE n. 2 )
I hope that this time RAITRADE does its best to make a CD how it has to be made.
Regards, Altnikol

P.S Do you know what is now doing the one you rightly call Maestro...this until 10 days ago? He writes, writes and writes music every day...music that probably will be part of the category n.3...pity!


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 Oggetto del messaggio: Re: BAARIA in September
MessaggioInviato: gio dic 10, 2009 3:26 pm 
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Patrick... yesterday I forgot to ask you: where do you find in VATEL - except the pieces by J.P. Rameau - those you call "...some ways, some colors never or rarely featured in his music"?
Thanks,
ATK


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 Oggetto del messaggio: Re: BAARIA in September
MessaggioInviato: lun gen 18, 2010 7:46 pm 
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Because BAARIA hasn't got the Golden Globe and consequently (at 99%) will not win the Oscar, it's excluded that any cd with additional new music, not being able to take advantage of the so called "dragging effect", will be issued.
Just wait for the usual "complete edition" in some years.
Regards,
ATK


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 Oggetto del messaggio: Re: BAARIA in September
MessaggioInviato: mar gen 19, 2010 6:40 pm 
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Iscritto il: ven set 11, 2009 3:30 pm
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Hi everybody!
From what I have read Baaria is not released in U.S.A in 2009 and is therefore not eligible for an Oscar.
Concerning Baaria I must say that I have been listening to it almost every day since I got it some months ago. I think it´s great! ;)
Thanks for the news Altnikol!
Mathias


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 Oggetto del messaggio: Re: BAARIA in September
MessaggioInviato: lun feb 01, 2010 7:49 pm 
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The International Film Music Critics Association Awards has included BAARIA among the 2009 five best original scores for drama film.
The prizes will be awarded on 26 February.

Regards,
ATK


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 Oggetto del messaggio: Re: BAARIA in September
MessaggioInviato: mar feb 09, 2010 10:34 am 
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Iscritto il: dom nov 02, 2008 1:12 pm
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Altnikol ha scritto:
The International Film Music Critics Association Awards has included BAARIA among the 2009 five best original scores for drama film.
The prizes will be awarded on 26 February.

Regards,
ATK


It hasn't been off my CD player since I bought it - and to think I originally thought it was mediocre. :shock: One of his best scores in many years - PLEASE can we have a CD with more music from the film someone! :?:


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