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You know - this is what Cali said about this piece:

So this piece is not Ennio? But the question still remains who is it by and what is the title?
Thanks for all your help so far eda 88.

Hard to say for sure, someone thinks it's by italian composer, someone thinks it's french...

Someone thinks it's by Lai or Delerue, or even Paul Mauriat...

Anyway i'll try to find out soon or later.....I'll keep you informed.

I'm sure this piece is not by Morricone, but it definitely sounds like it's inspired by Morricone and Barry. It's a nice piece, but there's something about the melody that's beneath Morricone, in that the notes seem a bit random and poorly chosen sometimes. <-I'm not sure how else to explain it.

I'll ask on another forum.

Peter

Thank you Peter. Any help very welcomed in identifying this piece.

Alas no one seemed to know it there either. Must be a rare piece indeed. Lovely though.

Peter

I could be wrong but I absolutely agree with Peter. I don't think its a Morricone piece at all.

Firstly I base my conclusion on the fact that there are some montrous Morricone afficionados on this forum with collections you would not believe - If they cannot identify it, that alone tells you it is very unlikely to be Morricone, however rare.

It smells more like a Morricone-copy. Of which, there are hundreds from mid-sixties onwards. There was a hellavu lot of library music written by unknowns or less-known composers throughout 60s and 70s - could easily be something like that.

It starts as though it might be by the Maestro - but then the melody - as Peter says - meanders and runs out of steam and goes down a blind alley that the composer cannot get out of - Ennio themes don't do that. He treats the end and middle as important as the beginning and I cant think of single occasion in anything I've heard where a Morricone piece is awkward, rushed or runs out of steam. This does.

I was going to suggest it might be someone like Cipriani but I think that's an insult to Cipriani too. Maybe one of the less well-known Italian composers. It sounds like it comes from an LP, because I think you can hear the needle hum.

Just my opinion.

Yes, exactly, it could be some of Library music... of course...

And also it could be Franck Pourcel, the style is so similar.

No, i don't think it's from Cipriani... i know a lot of his music very well and i have never heard it in any of his OST or library.

Well said. Exactly what I thought when I listened to the piece, though I wasn't sure how to express it. Morricone can "get out of" a piece like no other composer. Often with less accomplished composers they start out with an excellent idea, but then half way through the melody you can tell that they don't know how to end the piece properly, and it ends up sounding a bit random and indeed awkward. Morricone always ties it all together so well, where the ending of a melody sounds just as great as the beginning.

Peter

That's an interesting post, willem. I do think that Morricone puts more pride into his work than most other composers. I think he wants to be regarded as a serious musician. Film music isn't really considered serious music though, and as I understand it he ended up composing for films because that's where the money is. Perhaps since this art form is considered inferior that's why he feels he has to make an extra effort.

Concerning Maddalena and many other projects of the 60s and 70s I think he had such a high output because he didn't always work intimately with the director, but simply composed a bunch of tunes more or less independently, and then let the director cut and paste the music as he saw fit. That's why the music will appear more structured on album than what we're shown in the film itself.

That said, in my posts I wasn't simply talking about long vs. short cues, I was talking about how some composers make tunes that end up sounding random and amateurish because they are not sure how to wrap them up properly. In these cases I truy think it is a lack of talent. When even non-composers like me can pick up that there's something wrong and awkard with a piece it does point to a deficiency in composing ability.

Peter